1 00:00:54,830 --> 00:00:02,629 you're locked into inception radio 2 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:54,840 network superior Wisconsin get ready to 3 00:01:01,040 --> 00:00:57,570 expand your mind this is psychologies 4 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:01,050 outer limits with your host professor of 5 00:01:13,950 --> 00:01:11,340 well hello there folks and welcome to 6 00:01:16,890 --> 00:01:13,960 the premier edition of psychology outer 7 00:01:19,770 --> 00:01:16,900 limits and i am your host professor eric 8 00:01:22,650 --> 00:01:19,780 williams professor of psychology as the 9 00:01:24,420 --> 00:01:22,660 title implies and good evening to you 10 00:01:27,390 --> 00:01:24,430 folks on the East Coast that's where I'm 11 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:27,400 located in maryland good afternoon to 12 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:29,530 those of you on the west coast and hello 13 00:01:33,930 --> 00:01:32,010 to the rest of you wherever you are 14 00:01:36,210 --> 00:01:33,940 there's there's a lot of ways to 15 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--> 00:02:25,540 n i RN you can email live psych at nail 30 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:29,200 calm so just the word live l.i.v.e the 31 00:02:35,370 --> 00:02:31,690 word psych psy see but it's all one word 32 00:02:37,830 --> 00:02:35,380 life psychic mail com you're probably 33 00:02:40,229 --> 00:02:37,840 listening to us on inception radio 34 00:02:43,830 --> 00:02:40,239 network but you can also download the 35 00:02:46,740 --> 00:02:43,840 android or the iOS apps if you want to 36 00:02:49,350 --> 00:02:46,750 listen and on the phone or on your on 37 00:02:51,390 --> 00:02:49,360 your tablet and also if you happen to be 38 00:02:54,810 --> 00:02:51,400 on the page you'll notice that there is 39 00:02:57,740 --> 00:02:54,820 a menu bar and if you click on the one 40 00:03:00,030 --> 00:02:57,750 that says chat you can join in the chat 41 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:00,040 lots of great people I've been in that 42 00:03:03,930 --> 00:03:02,170 chat room a lot myself and I've listened 43 00:03:07,770 --> 00:03:03,940 to shows and what I've been guest on 44 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:07,780 shows so by all means jump in I'll be 45 00:03:13,530 --> 00:03:10,690 monitoring it and our our exceptional 46 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:13,540 producer NJ will also be monitoring it 47 00:03:18,090 --> 00:03:16,330 and on facebook you can search for 48 00:03:22,830 --> 00:03:18,100 psychologies outer limit 49 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:22,840 it's psychology I don't know when i type 50 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:25,690 too fast i misspelled it but it's it's 51 00:03:30,630 --> 00:03:28,330 not I es it's just just it's just 52 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:30,640 psychology with an S than outer oh you 53 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:34,690 ter and then limits okay and I think 54 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:36,610 that's about every way to get a hold of 55 00:03:43,380 --> 00:03:40,090 us so by all means call in 88 89 19 to 56 00:03:45,060 --> 00:03:43,390 35 5 i'm so used to a classroom full of 57 00:03:48,350 --> 00:03:45,070 faces and instead I'm sitting here 58 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:48,360 staring at three skip three screens so 59 00:03:55,530 --> 00:03:51,490 I'm hoping for a pumping for a very 60 00:03:57,060 --> 00:03:55,540 interactive show I am a professor of 61 00:04:00,720 --> 00:03:57,070 psychology I've been doing that for 62 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:00,730 about nine years now and no I don't 63 00:04:04,890 --> 00:04:02,290 teach at Harvard or Yale or Stanford 64 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:04,900 earning those really big giant places I 65 00:04:09,740 --> 00:04:07,090 actually have a strong preference for 66 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:09,750 small colleges so I'm at hagerstown 67 00:04:15,740 --> 00:04:12,250 Community College it's a sprawling 68 00:04:18,810 --> 00:04:15,750 bucolic saturday evening post kind of 69 00:04:21,030 --> 00:04:18,820 college is rather big I really enjoy it 70 00:04:23,850 --> 00:04:21,040 there teach about seven classes a 71 00:04:26,970 --> 00:04:23,860 semester that's about a little over 200 72 00:04:30,570 --> 00:04:26,980 students and I teach everything I teach 73 00:04:32,730 --> 00:04:30,580 general psych and I teach abnormal psych 74 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:32,740 which is a lot of fun it's a hard course 75 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:35,410 though it's pretty much for psych majors 76 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:38,530 of human growth and development social 77 00:04:44,070 --> 00:04:40,570 psych which is a lot of fun lots of 78 00:04:46,290 --> 00:04:44,080 discussion I teach a counseling course 79 00:04:48,570 --> 00:04:46,300 for that's actually for a different 80 00:04:50,490 --> 00:04:48,580 group but it has to be taught by someone 81 00:04:52,410 --> 00:04:50,500 I guess with a counseling background I 82 00:04:54,090 --> 00:04:52,420 actually have taught at one of those 83 00:04:56,190 --> 00:04:54,100 bigger colleges but that was a while ago 84 00:05:01,110 --> 00:04:56,200 I was teaching graduate students how to 85 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:01,120 do how to do group counseling and that 86 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:03,250 was fun I did that for about four years 87 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:06,730 but I that was an adjunct no I'm a I'm a 88 00:05:12,330 --> 00:05:09,970 full-time professor and that's a little 89 00:05:15,570 --> 00:05:12,340 bit about me now let's talk about the 90 00:05:18,750 --> 00:05:15,580 show a little bit if you go to the to 91 00:05:23,070 --> 00:05:18,760 the main page to inception radio network 92 00:05:25,490 --> 00:05:23,080 and you'll count including me 29 hosts 93 00:05:28,230 --> 00:05:25,500 though one of them says coming soon and 94 00:05:32,529 --> 00:05:28,240 you'll notice especially the regulars 95 00:05:36,170 --> 00:05:32,539 that the the network is primarily about 96 00:05:38,540 --> 00:05:36,180 paranormal things and this show is not 97 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:38,550 primarily about paranormal things but 98 00:05:41,300 --> 00:05:39,690 we're going to go there we're going to 99 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:41,310 go to that end of the pool and dip our 100 00:05:46,879 --> 00:05:43,970 toes and every once in a while but 101 00:05:50,540 --> 00:05:46,889 psychology has its its own weirdness so 102 00:05:54,830 --> 00:05:50,550 I promise you weirdness weirdness is 103 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:54,840 cool so when we I father was Babu came 104 00:05:58,719 --> 00:05:56,610 up with the name psychologies outer 105 00:06:02,570 --> 00:05:58,729 limit because I'm not quite that clever 106 00:06:04,670 --> 00:06:02,580 I do want to talk about some of the the 107 00:06:07,430 --> 00:06:04,680 outer limits the odd things in 108 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:07,440 psychology I want to talk about 109 00:06:14,290 --> 00:06:10,770 psychology and the news and i want to 110 00:06:16,939 --> 00:06:14,300 have sort of a topic of the day and 111 00:06:18,740 --> 00:06:16,949 we're starting out as an hour show and 112 00:06:22,399 --> 00:06:18,750 we'll see how that goes and if it goes 113 00:06:25,909 --> 00:06:22,409 well it may morph into an hour and a 114 00:06:27,559 --> 00:06:25,919 half show this show is live on sunday 115 00:06:29,270 --> 00:06:27,569 nights from seven to eight and maybe 116 00:06:32,390 --> 00:06:29,280 eventually 830 but then at nine o'clock 117 00:06:35,990 --> 00:06:32,400 we have pang PA ng and that's actually 118 00:06:37,999 --> 00:06:36,000 hosted by angela our producer I didn't 119 00:06:41,029 --> 00:06:38,009 even know that i love it show I listened 120 00:06:42,589 --> 00:06:41,039 to inception radio a lot matter of fact 121 00:06:47,180 --> 00:06:42,599 when I was trying to decide where to 122 00:06:48,409 --> 00:06:47,190 have a show i sent sort of uh i don't 123 00:06:51,649 --> 00:06:48,419 know what they call it a letter of 124 00:06:55,459 --> 00:06:51,659 introduction I guess it's two three 125 00:07:00,170 --> 00:06:55,469 networks and irn was the friendliest and 126 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:00,180 and the the most outgoing and took lots 127 00:07:05,899 --> 00:07:02,370 of time to explain how it would work so 128 00:07:07,939 --> 00:07:05,909 I ended up here so that's kind of the 129 00:07:09,830 --> 00:07:07,949 format of the show but what I really 130 00:07:12,860 --> 00:07:09,840 enjoy is the same thing I enjoying the 131 00:07:14,719 --> 00:07:12,870 classroom I enjoy people you know 132 00:07:17,059 --> 00:07:14,729 talking you don't want to just listen to 133 00:07:19,129 --> 00:07:17,069 me for an hour if you're my one of my 134 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:19,139 students you know you might have to list 135 00:07:24,230 --> 00:07:21,210 our summer classes or four hours can you 136 00:07:25,939 --> 00:07:24,240 imagine that I have to talk for four 137 00:07:28,430 --> 00:07:25,949 hours and they have to listen but it's a 138 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:28,440 great deal more fun when people ask 139 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:30,210 questions and students come up with 140 00:07:35,300 --> 00:07:33,090 questions that I mean my gosh next year 141 00:07:38,839 --> 00:07:35,310 will make 40 years since i started since 142 00:07:41,300 --> 00:07:38,849 i was a freshman at maryland so i know a 143 00:07:43,730 --> 00:07:41,310 lot about psychology but students come 144 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:43,740 up with questions that are incredible 145 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:44,650 and I 146 00:07:49,140 --> 00:07:47,050 I would have thought of them and i hope 147 00:07:50,790 --> 00:07:49,150 you call in with questions you can call 148 00:07:53,550 --> 00:07:50,800 in a questions you can call in with your 149 00:07:57,270 --> 00:07:53,560 thoughts your experience you can call in 150 00:07:59,219 --> 00:07:57,280 to say hi you can call them to say well 151 00:08:02,969 --> 00:07:59,229 so far you suck but I think with time 152 00:08:05,450 --> 00:08:02,979 you'll get better or you could call them 153 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:05,460 with an exception you know every time I 154 00:08:10,379 --> 00:08:08,050 provide a factoid to my students 155 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:10,389 somebody raises their hand and there's 156 00:08:14,999 --> 00:08:12,970 always an exception so now we have what 157 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:15,009 I call professor Eric seventy percent 158 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:17,410 rule which I made up keep that in mind 159 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:19,570 there's no research behind this you 160 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:22,090 could you you can reasonably believe 161 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:24,090 that about seventy percent of the time 162 00:08:29,909 --> 00:08:27,250 you know something psychological I tell 163 00:08:32,670 --> 00:08:29,919 you is true it's probably more than that 164 00:08:34,560 --> 00:08:32,680 but I want to be conservative so most of 165 00:08:36,510 --> 00:08:34,570 the things I tell you on here are true 166 00:08:39,449 --> 00:08:36,520 most a type of my gosh of course there's 167 00:08:46,050 --> 00:08:39,459 you know there's going to be plenty of 168 00:08:48,210 --> 00:08:46,060 plenty of exceptions and one of the 169 00:08:52,130 --> 00:08:48,220 things that's always interesting to me 170 00:08:58,410 --> 00:08:52,140 and I love talking about it in class is 171 00:09:00,420 --> 00:08:58,420 is basic research in basic research this 172 00:09:02,610 --> 00:09:00,430 is the stuff that makes you absolutely 173 00:09:05,910 --> 00:09:02,620 crazy when you read the paper for 174 00:09:08,340 --> 00:09:05,920 example you read a headline NIH 175 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:08,350 scientists spin 2.6 million dollars 176 00:09:12,690 --> 00:09:10,930 proving that fruit flies like fruit and 177 00:09:14,519 --> 00:09:12,700 you smack yourself on the forehead and 178 00:09:15,870 --> 00:09:14,529 you say for God's sake of course it like 179 00:09:18,030 --> 00:09:15,880 fruit that's why they're called fruit 180 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:18,040 flies well that's not really the point 181 00:09:23,610 --> 00:09:21,490 basic research helps us to generate more 182 00:09:26,370 --> 00:09:23,620 questions first of all but second of all 183 00:09:31,079 --> 00:09:26,380 everything and science has to be proven 184 00:09:33,510 --> 00:09:31,089 even if fruit flies like fruit another 185 00:09:35,490 --> 00:09:33,520 reason that we study basic things and we 186 00:09:38,610 --> 00:09:35,500 study obvious things as I sometimes 187 00:09:42,449 --> 00:09:38,620 we're just wrong you know there's a very 188 00:09:45,390 --> 00:09:42,459 common notion for example that opposites 189 00:09:47,670 --> 00:09:45,400 attract but it's been studied a lot in 190 00:09:51,300 --> 00:09:47,680 social psychology and it's not true 191 00:09:53,519 --> 00:09:51,310 opposites do not attract I remember the 192 00:09:56,790 --> 00:09:53,529 seventy percent rule once in a while 193 00:09:58,440 --> 00:09:56,800 they do but when they do the stats for 194 00:10:00,480 --> 00:09:58,450 the outcomes are pretty much 195 00:10:02,370 --> 00:10:00,490 we'll buy are largely like being with 196 00:10:07,110 --> 00:10:02,380 and around people or that are very very 197 00:10:09,510 --> 00:10:07,120 similar to us so speaking of things that 198 00:10:11,700 --> 00:10:09,520 we hear often that we believe I came 199 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:11,710 across this article called divorce 200 00:10:18,270 --> 00:10:15,490 shocker most marriages do make it now as 201 00:10:21,050 --> 00:10:18,280 far back as I can remember I have heard 202 00:10:23,340 --> 00:10:21,060 that fifty percent of marriages fail 203 00:10:24,810 --> 00:10:23,350 that's a big number and if you're 204 00:10:26,660 --> 00:10:24,820 getting ready to get married that's a 205 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:26,670 depressing number no wonder we have 206 00:10:30,630 --> 00:10:29,410 people signing agreements before they 207 00:10:32,310 --> 00:10:30,640 get married because they're for either 208 00:10:36,110 --> 00:10:32,320 going to lose half their stuff and you 209 00:10:39,420 --> 00:10:36,120 might anyway I don't know but anyway 210 00:10:44,460 --> 00:10:39,430 this uh I think they're a husband and 211 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:44,470 wife research team Shantay felt hon I 212 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:47,410 can't pronounce these names anyway she 213 00:10:51,660 --> 00:10:49,810 uh she did go to one of the big college 214 00:10:55,310 --> 00:10:51,670 she did her research training at Harvard 215 00:10:57,660 --> 00:10:55,320 and she and her husband Jeff our 216 00:10:59,430 --> 00:10:57,670 marriage counselors but they were kind 217 00:11:01,980 --> 00:10:59,440 of curious about this fifty percent 218 00:11:03,900 --> 00:11:01,990 thing too you know and that this was on 219 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:03,910 CNN by the way and one of the things 220 00:11:08,670 --> 00:11:05,650 that they found was that they couldn't 221 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:08,680 find the source for this data you know 222 00:11:13,410 --> 00:11:11,530 like they couldn't find it usually you 223 00:11:15,810 --> 00:11:13,420 know when you're writing an academic a 224 00:11:20,220 --> 00:11:15,820 Deming paper you can't make a statement 225 00:11:22,230 --> 00:11:20,230 of fact without finding some piece of 226 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:22,240 research where someone proved it 227 00:11:26,820 --> 00:11:24,130 remember when I said earlier everything 228 00:11:29,130 --> 00:11:26,830 and science has got to be proven so what 229 00:11:32,610 --> 00:11:29,140 they did was they very painstakingly 230 00:11:34,260 --> 00:11:32,620 went through real data you know i'm not 231 00:11:37,710 --> 00:11:34,270 sure what they did but i'm assuming they 232 00:11:41,220 --> 00:11:37,720 went through you know county databases 233 00:11:43,770 --> 00:11:41,230 for divorces and four marriages and what 234 00:11:47,220 --> 00:11:43,780 they found is that this is her first 235 00:11:49,380 --> 00:11:47,230 time marriages that that probably twenty 236 00:11:51,810 --> 00:11:49,390 to twenty-five percent have ended in 237 00:11:54,900 --> 00:11:51,820 divorce on average and we've never been 238 00:11:57,860 --> 00:11:54,910 anywhere near fifty percent so here's an 239 00:12:00,540 --> 00:11:57,870 example where you know basic research 240 00:12:04,170 --> 00:12:00,550 tells us that something that many of us 241 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:04,180 have believed forever isn't true the 242 00:12:10,140 --> 00:12:08,050 divorce rate is not fifty percent but 243 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:10,150 I've certainly believe that and I am 244 00:12:12,210 --> 00:12:11,890 sure that even after what I just said 245 00:12:14,850 --> 00:12:12,220 there 246 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:14,860 folks that will that will still believe 247 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:17,850 it and the divorce rate has been 248 00:12:22,500 --> 00:12:20,050 dropping as a matter of fact in one of 249 00:12:25,770 --> 00:12:22,510 the courses I teach I was showing a 250 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:25,780 graph that showed that the divorce rate 251 00:12:31,350 --> 00:12:29,650 the head dropped it had dropped twenty 252 00:12:33,330 --> 00:12:31,360 percent but not twenty percent of all 253 00:12:36,030 --> 00:12:33,340 marriages it had dropped from some 254 00:12:37,530 --> 00:12:36,040 number to a number or another number and 255 00:12:39,450 --> 00:12:37,540 the difference between those two numbers 256 00:12:42,690 --> 00:12:39,460 was twenty percent but the point is is 257 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:42,700 that the divorce rate is dropping and I 258 00:12:48,540 --> 00:12:45,010 think that's good right as a counselor I 259 00:12:52,050 --> 00:12:48,550 think that's a great a great sign and 260 00:12:55,380 --> 00:12:52,060 some states even have these these new 261 00:12:58,470 --> 00:12:55,390 kind of marriages now where you agree 262 00:13:01,140 --> 00:12:58,480 that you will not you sort of waive your 263 00:13:04,830 --> 00:13:01,150 right to a no-fault marriage it's very 264 00:13:06,630 --> 00:13:04,840 hard to get married and that sort of 265 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:06,640 brings us back to this fifty percent 266 00:13:15,060 --> 00:13:10,090 that this this may have come about in 267 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:15,070 the early 70s when when the no-fault 268 00:13:19,830 --> 00:13:17,770 divorce came out and psychologists 269 00:13:23,010 --> 00:13:19,840 predicted that it would lead to a 270 00:13:26,940 --> 00:13:23,020 50-percent divorce rate but apparently 271 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:26,950 it never did but the number stuck so 272 00:13:33,210 --> 00:13:29,770 that explains a few things that explains 273 00:13:35,250 --> 00:13:33,220 why we do basic research and certainly 274 00:13:37,950 --> 00:13:35,260 in social psychology we spent a lot of 275 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:37,960 time talking about you know things that 276 00:13:46,620 --> 00:13:42,490 are there i don't know folk wisdom urban 277 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:46,630 myths I you snopes a lot for that you do 278 00:13:53,370 --> 00:13:51,610 you use soaps NS and snop es the 279 00:13:55,860 --> 00:13:53,380 husband-wife team that work out of their 280 00:13:57,420 --> 00:13:55,870 house and they look up everything if you 281 00:13:59,730 --> 00:13:57,430 hear something weird you go to snopes 282 00:14:06,450 --> 00:13:59,740 and you find out if it's if it's true or 283 00:14:09,030 --> 00:14:06,460 if it's not now under the topic just 284 00:14:11,130 --> 00:14:09,040 plain weird i found that this this week 285 00:14:13,110 --> 00:14:11,140 i have no idea what this has to do with 286 00:14:15,510 --> 00:14:13,120 psychology except i happen to believe 287 00:14:18,210 --> 00:14:15,520 everything is related to psychology but 288 00:14:20,630 --> 00:14:18,220 this is this is just sort of a headline 289 00:14:23,970 --> 00:14:20,640 I have nothing else to go with it a 290 00:14:25,500 --> 00:14:23,980 german student mooned a group of Hell's 291 00:14:28,110 --> 00:14:25,510 Angels 292 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:28,120 and hurled a puppy at them before 293 00:14:35,310 --> 00:14:31,450 escaping on a stolen bulldozer police 294 00:14:37,260 --> 00:14:35,320 said now first of all I think mooning 295 00:14:40,530 --> 00:14:37,270 Hells Angels that's that's pretty brave 296 00:14:42,570 --> 00:14:40,540 hurling a puppy's kind of mean but how 297 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:42,580 do you escape on a stolen bulldozer 298 00:14:47,940 --> 00:14:45,130 don't Hells Angels have really really 299 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:47,950 fast motorcycles and I'm just guessing 300 00:14:52,620 --> 00:14:50,290 that they could overtake a bulldozer 301 00:14:55,170 --> 00:14:52,630 fairly rapidly so I wish I had more to 302 00:14:58,680 --> 00:14:55,180 the story but I don't but that comes 303 00:15:03,300 --> 00:14:58,690 under the section of just just plain 304 00:15:04,830 --> 00:15:03,310 weird and if you have something that you 305 00:15:07,580 --> 00:15:04,840 want to contribute that's just plain 306 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:07,590 where you know you can pop it into the 307 00:15:16,470 --> 00:15:13,210 into the chat room or you can send an 308 00:15:19,830 --> 00:15:16,480 email I'm kinda new to this i'm trying 309 00:15:23,700 --> 00:15:19,840 to look at everything at once so i see 310 00:15:25,770 --> 00:15:23,710 Lisa's in the chat room hello Lisa and a 311 00:15:31,350 --> 00:15:25,780 few other folks nice to see all of you 312 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:31,360 all of you there let's see here and 313 00:15:39,900 --> 00:15:34,330 remember the number to call in is 888 91 314 00:15:41,850 --> 00:15:39,910 92 355 you don't you don't need any 315 00:15:44,990 --> 00:15:41,860 particular reason to call in you can 316 00:15:48,030 --> 00:15:45,000 just call in and say hi if you want I 317 00:15:50,370 --> 00:15:48,040 want to go through a few more just 318 00:15:53,660 --> 00:15:50,380 quickie little things and then I think 319 00:15:56,220 --> 00:15:53,670 our topic for today is going to be lost 320 00:15:57,960 --> 00:15:56,230 not just lost like when someone's dying 321 00:16:00,330 --> 00:15:57,970 and I'm kind of sorry to start the 322 00:16:03,690 --> 00:16:00,340 premiere show with a death grief and 323 00:16:05,790 --> 00:16:03,700 sorrow topic but i do want to talk about 324 00:16:12,630 --> 00:16:05,800 lost a little bit as our topic for it 325 00:16:16,620 --> 00:16:12,640 today this week in psychology i love 326 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:16,630 looking up i love looking up new sort of 327 00:16:20,340 --> 00:16:18,730 research you know what's going on and 328 00:16:23,970 --> 00:16:20,350 out what's going on out there in the 329 00:16:26,430 --> 00:16:23,980 world here's one hallucinations are 330 00:16:27,990 --> 00:16:26,440 common hallucinations are like waking 331 00:16:30,650 --> 00:16:28,000 dreams and we tend to think of em as 332 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:30,660 makers of serious mental illness in 333 00:16:34,590 --> 00:16:33,130 reality however they are more common 334 00:16:37,260 --> 00:16:34,600 amongst normal people than we might 335 00:16:39,180 --> 00:16:37,270 imagine one third of us report having 336 00:16:41,550 --> 00:16:39,190 experienced hallucination 337 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:41,560 with twenty percent experiencing 338 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:44,410 hallucinations hallucinations once a 339 00:16:49,710 --> 00:16:47,770 month and two percent once a week now I 340 00:16:52,670 --> 00:16:49,720 think when most people think of 341 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:52,680 hallucinations they think of visual 342 00:16:58,710 --> 00:16:55,570 because in movies it's easier to show 343 00:17:00,300 --> 00:16:58,720 visual than anything else if you solve a 344 00:17:04,199 --> 00:17:00,310 really great movie A Beautiful Mind 345 00:17:09,390 --> 00:17:04,209 about the mathematician you know you saw 346 00:17:11,670 --> 00:17:09,400 hope you saw visual hallucinations but 347 00:17:14,670 --> 00:17:11,680 when he's interviewed he says he never 348 00:17:17,250 --> 00:17:14,680 actually had a visual hallucination all 349 00:17:19,949 --> 00:17:17,260 of his hallucinations were auditory and 350 00:17:22,710 --> 00:17:19,959 in schizophrenia that's common visual 351 00:17:25,020 --> 00:17:22,720 hallucinations are relatively rare but 352 00:17:27,900 --> 00:17:25,030 it wouldn't make for very good TV or a 353 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:27,910 movie to have voices so they translated 354 00:17:34,770 --> 00:17:31,570 his hallucinations from auditory to 355 00:17:37,830 --> 00:17:34,780 visual but we have five senses so 356 00:17:40,260 --> 00:17:37,840 anytime one of your five senses is being 357 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:40,270 misperceived by your brain we would call 358 00:17:46,350 --> 00:17:43,450 that a hallucination for example I had a 359 00:17:51,570 --> 00:17:46,360 student that was schizophrenic she had 360 00:17:54,450 --> 00:17:51,580 been to Afghanistan and I guess she was 361 00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:54,460 there too long and her mind snapped 362 00:18:01,080 --> 00:17:57,850 that's a technical term snapped and she 363 00:18:03,930 --> 00:18:01,090 believes she had a little electronic 364 00:18:05,490 --> 00:18:03,940 device buried under her neck and when 365 00:18:07,620 --> 00:18:05,500 she ran her finger up and down her neck 366 00:18:12,270 --> 00:18:07,630 her finger would go up across and down 367 00:18:14,450 --> 00:18:12,280 she felt a chip under her neck so that 368 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:14,460 would be a somatic her bodily 369 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:17,050 hallucination and it wouldn't matter how 370 00:18:20,460 --> 00:18:18,610 many times i would rub it and say 371 00:18:21,750 --> 00:18:20,470 there's nothing there you know she would 372 00:18:25,260 --> 00:18:21,760 she would feel it and then i would 373 00:18:27,270 --> 00:18:25,270 become you know part of the the scheme 374 00:18:31,230 --> 00:18:27,280 in her mind that that people are out to 375 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:31,240 get her but that's that's pretty 376 00:18:38,930 --> 00:18:33,010 interesting i mean that's that's a big 377 00:18:42,030 --> 00:18:38,940 statistic 20 you know 20 20-some percent 378 00:18:45,570 --> 00:18:42,040 if you you know if you're a pot smoker 379 00:18:48,690 --> 00:18:45,580 and cheese burgers taste better that's 380 00:18:51,020 --> 00:18:48,700 actually technically a hallucination so 381 00:18:52,710 --> 00:18:51,030 i think they're taking all of that into 382 00:18:58,020 --> 00:18:52,720 it in 383 00:18:59,159 --> 00:18:58,030 to consider in the consideration this 384 00:19:01,350 --> 00:18:59,169 one I thought was really interesting 385 00:19:04,649 --> 00:19:01,360 because to me it's kind of 386 00:19:07,590 --> 00:19:04,659 counterintuitive fantasies reduce 387 00:19:09,779 --> 00:19:07,600 motivation isn't that interesting one 388 00:19:12,120 --> 00:19:09,789 way people commonly motivate themselves 389 00:19:14,940 --> 00:19:12,130 is by using fantasies about the future 390 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:14,950 you've heard people say you know imagine 391 00:19:19,350 --> 00:19:16,330 that you've taken the test and you've 392 00:19:21,630 --> 00:19:19,360 gotten an A or imagine that you're 393 00:19:24,690 --> 00:19:21,640 finished bench pressing the you know the 394 00:19:28,049 --> 00:19:24,700 five thousand pounds or or whatever it 395 00:19:30,510 --> 00:19:28,059 is you know fantasize about it so the 396 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:30,520 notion is that if you dream about a 397 00:19:35,850 --> 00:19:34,210 positive future you motivated but 398 00:19:37,710 --> 00:19:35,860 psychologists have found though they 399 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:37,720 don't say which psychologists are where 400 00:19:42,779 --> 00:19:39,730 that's kind of a red flag but we'll go 401 00:19:45,060 --> 00:19:42,789 with it psychologists have found that 402 00:19:47,580 --> 00:19:45,070 fantasizing about future success is 403 00:19:49,730 --> 00:19:47,590 actually bad for motivation it seems 404 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:49,740 that getting a taste of the future and 405 00:19:56,490 --> 00:19:53,890 the here and now reduces the drive to 406 00:19:58,529 --> 00:19:56,500 achieve it fantasies also failed to flag 407 00:20:01,320 --> 00:19:58,539 up the problems we're likely to face on 408 00:20:03,510 --> 00:20:01,330 the way to our goals and I think what 409 00:20:05,490 --> 00:20:03,520 they're saying is that if you over 410 00:20:07,649 --> 00:20:05,500 fantasize about the future and a way you 411 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:07,659 feel like you've already done it so why 412 00:20:15,990 --> 00:20:12,850 do it you know on the other hand we tend 413 00:20:21,090 --> 00:20:16,000 to think of anxiety is kind of a bad 414 00:20:27,060 --> 00:20:21,100 thing so and it can be but anxiety also 415 00:20:29,789 --> 00:20:27,070 makes us do things so well fantasizing 416 00:20:32,789 --> 00:20:29,799 that you've passed the test may make you 417 00:20:36,450 --> 00:20:32,799 study less a little anxiety is good 418 00:20:38,010 --> 00:20:36,460 because it makes you nervous it makes 419 00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:38,020 you get up and go over to the books and 420 00:20:45,149 --> 00:20:41,200 start you know start looking now a 421 00:20:49,980 --> 00:20:45,159 question here from lisa k would sense 422 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:49,990 memory count as hallucinations thinks 423 00:20:54,120 --> 00:20:52,330 like thinking of chocolate and very 424 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:54,130 clearly smelling it even though it's not 425 00:20:59,340 --> 00:20:56,650 there yes that would count as a 426 00:21:02,399 --> 00:20:59,350 hallucination that's a great example and 427 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:02,409 I hadn't even thought of that you would 428 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:04,210 just you just suddenly start smelling 429 00:21:07,620 --> 00:21:05,650 something 430 00:21:10,860 --> 00:21:07,630 what we have there is we have perception 431 00:21:14,220 --> 00:21:10,870 without sensation the sensation would be 432 00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:14,230 the the sensory molecules coming off the 433 00:21:18,510 --> 00:21:16,240 chocolate then your brain has to make 434 00:21:24,090 --> 00:21:18,520 sense of sensation and that's perception 435 00:21:26,430 --> 00:21:24,100 so yes that would definitely count never 436 00:21:28,020 --> 00:21:26,440 walk into a room and smell something and 437 00:21:30,180 --> 00:21:28,030 you feel like you're almost violently 438 00:21:33,660 --> 00:21:30,190 yanked back into the past year suddenly 439 00:21:36,360 --> 00:21:33,670 in your second-grade classroom or you're 440 00:21:39,860 --> 00:21:36,370 in your your grandmother's house or 441 00:21:45,180 --> 00:21:39,870 something our sense of smell is 442 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:45,190 literally physically close to the piece 443 00:21:53,220 --> 00:21:48,730 of our brain that takes care of 444 00:21:54,750 --> 00:21:53,230 long-term memories and it seemed and 445 00:21:56,610 --> 00:21:54,760 this probably goes back you know the 446 00:21:58,260 --> 00:21:56,620 four hundred and some I guess we've been 447 00:21:59,700 --> 00:21:58,270 around for about four hundred thousand 448 00:22:02,310 --> 00:21:59,710 years but we have this piece of memory 449 00:22:05,100 --> 00:22:02,320 called the hippocampus it's responsible 450 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:05,110 for creating long-term memories and our 451 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:09,850 our olfactory bulbs for smelling is the 452 00:22:14,010 --> 00:22:11,770 only sense that projects directly into 453 00:22:16,620 --> 00:22:14,020 the brain and it projects very closely 454 00:22:18,300 --> 00:22:16,630 to that and you know to me I think that 455 00:22:19,770 --> 00:22:18,310 would count as a hallucination to it 456 00:22:21,660 --> 00:22:19,780 because you're not in your grandmother's 457 00:22:24,390 --> 00:22:21,670 house and you're not back in your 458 00:22:26,190 --> 00:22:24,400 second-grade classroom so excellent 459 00:22:29,340 --> 00:22:26,200 question Lisa thank you I appreciate 460 00:22:34,350 --> 00:22:29,350 that let's say anything else that you're 461 00:22:36,750 --> 00:22:34,360 interesting we say let's see this is a 462 00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:36,760 thinking outside the box now see I 463 00:22:41,340 --> 00:22:39,280 happen to think brainstorming is great 464 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:41,350 and I do a brainstorming exercise with 465 00:22:47,250 --> 00:22:44,890 my class and what I do is that they have 466 00:22:49,890 --> 00:22:47,260 to think of as many ways as possible to 467 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:49,900 come up with fifty dollars in cash in 24 468 00:22:55,650 --> 00:22:52,450 hours and the role of the game is you 469 00:22:57,630 --> 00:22:55,660 don't have fifty dollars and I don't 470 00:22:59,520 --> 00:22:57,640 actually make them do this by the way I 471 00:23:01,770 --> 00:22:59,530 like the idea especially if they had to 472 00:23:03,690 --> 00:23:01,780 give me the fifty dollars but we start 473 00:23:06,750 --> 00:23:03,700 out with all the easy stuff you know go 474 00:23:08,550 --> 00:23:06,760 pawn something borrow it but we usually 475 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:08,560 end up with about a hundred ideas 476 00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:11,770 because one idea reminds someone of 477 00:23:16,650 --> 00:23:13,840 another idea so I have a fan of 478 00:23:19,410 --> 00:23:16,660 brainstorming but at least there's some 479 00:23:23,670 --> 00:23:19,420 research that says the brainstorming 480 00:23:25,710 --> 00:23:23,680 uh in groups people and groups tend to 481 00:23:28,050 --> 00:23:25,720 be lazy likely to forget their ideas 482 00:23:30,210 --> 00:23:28,060 while others talk well we always have 483 00:23:32,340 --> 00:23:30,220 that I really think what they're talking 484 00:23:35,550 --> 00:23:32,350 about there is something called social 485 00:23:38,910 --> 00:23:35,560 loafing when you when you when you have 486 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:38,920 a group effort you know you have a 487 00:23:44,820 --> 00:23:42,490 handful or a large group of people that 488 00:23:46,620 --> 00:23:44,830 are assigned to work on a task and I am 489 00:23:48,870 --> 00:23:46,630 sure all of you have experienced this 490 00:23:50,490 --> 00:23:48,880 there's going to be one or two or more 491 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:50,500 people that aren't going to help and 492 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:53,890 that's called social loafing but I think 493 00:23:58,110 --> 00:23:55,810 that if you've got you know a good 494 00:24:01,050 --> 00:23:58,120 leader and you have a motivated group 495 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:01,060 then brainstorming does work but I do 496 00:24:05,790 --> 00:24:02,890 get their points that you know you have 497 00:24:11,460 --> 00:24:05,800 to sort of keep your eye out for for 498 00:24:13,260 --> 00:24:11,470 social social loafing and then this well 499 00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:13,270 this one's not surprised and this is 500 00:24:17,970 --> 00:24:15,520 some basic research trying to suppress 501 00:24:21,330 --> 00:24:17,980 your thoughts is counterproductive if I 502 00:24:24,140 --> 00:24:21,340 tell you right now do not think about a 503 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:24,150 white elephant under no circumstances 504 00:24:28,550 --> 00:24:27,250 may you think about a white elephant so 505 00:24:30,660 --> 00:24:28,560 what you're thinking about right now 506 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:30,670 you're thinking about a white elephant 507 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:34,690 that's just the way we're wired it's 508 00:24:38,940 --> 00:24:36,730 it's it's not good advice to suppress 509 00:24:40,770 --> 00:24:38,950 your thoughts because your brain seems 510 00:24:43,650 --> 00:24:40,780 to want to fight back and I don't know 511 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:43,660 why if you're an anxious person what 512 00:24:49,230 --> 00:24:46,570 makes more sense as to let the anxious 513 00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:49,240 thought or visual pass by you as if it 514 00:24:56,070 --> 00:24:52,000 were a movie and simply don't interact 515 00:24:58,380 --> 00:24:56,080 with it just just let it go by but if 516 00:25:03,090 --> 00:24:58,390 you tell yourself don't think this then 517 00:25:04,860 --> 00:25:03,100 it doesn't seem to work very well anyway 518 00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:04,870 that's that that's the news for this 519 00:25:17,430 --> 00:25:14,400 week from the world of psychology now I 520 00:25:21,450 --> 00:25:17,440 when I when I have been interviewed 521 00:25:27,050 --> 00:25:21,460 people have asked me you know what is 522 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:27,060 going on in the world of academia for 523 00:25:32,180 --> 00:25:30,210 abnormal psychology or paranormal and 524 00:25:35,779 --> 00:25:32,190 not much 525 00:25:37,850 --> 00:25:35,789 much and the reason given most often is 526 00:25:41,299 --> 00:25:37,860 that you know nothing paranormal ever 527 00:25:44,299 --> 00:25:41,309 seems to happen in a lab does that mean 528 00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:44,309 that paranormal stuff and abnormal stuff 529 00:25:49,100 --> 00:25:46,799 doesn't happen no it doesn't mean that 530 00:25:52,460 --> 00:25:49,110 at all i think it means one of two 531 00:25:54,799 --> 00:25:52,470 things either the paranormal does not 532 00:25:57,710 --> 00:25:54,809 lend itself to the lab and that's 533 00:26:04,070 --> 00:25:57,720 certainly possible or the methodologies 534 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:04,080 are wrong and we just got to do it 535 00:26:09,980 --> 00:26:06,690 differently I certainly wouldn't give up 536 00:26:11,869 --> 00:26:09,990 on it but I think I may have well I gave 537 00:26:15,529 --> 00:26:11,879 a right and wrong answer when I was 538 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:15,539 interviewed I still don't believe that 539 00:26:23,799 --> 00:26:20,690 there are any current academic degrees 540 00:26:28,029 --> 00:26:23,809 at least in at any accredited 541 00:26:32,289 --> 00:26:28,039 universities for for paranormal 542 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:32,299 psychology or the paranormal in general 543 00:26:39,759 --> 00:26:35,210 Stanford was doing stuff until the 80s 544 00:26:45,190 --> 00:26:39,769 Duke was doing stuff only until the 60s 545 00:26:51,799 --> 00:26:45,200 Princeton was working on paranormal toll 546 00:26:54,350 --> 00:26:51,809 2007 Harvard as late as 2008 let's see 547 00:26:56,779 --> 00:26:54,360 now but there is some good news the 548 00:27:00,310 --> 00:26:56,789 University of Virginia the vision of 549 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:00,320 perceptual studies they're still doing 550 00:27:06,049 --> 00:27:03,690 research in paranormal with six years of 551 00:27:09,139 --> 00:27:06,059 research an area of past lives already 552 00:27:12,019 --> 00:27:09,149 under its belt uva's division of 553 00:27:13,789 --> 00:27:12,029 perceptual studies which is part which 554 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:13,799 is part of the Department of psychiatric 555 00:27:19,820 --> 00:27:17,610 medicine is still up and running and 556 00:27:22,999 --> 00:27:19,830 then they are they're exploring 557 00:27:25,490 --> 00:27:23,009 phenomena such as reincarnation most 558 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:25,500 specifically through its focus on 559 00:27:31,220 --> 00:27:27,450 children who claim to remember past 560 00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:31,230 lives and near-death experiences as well 561 00:27:36,590 --> 00:27:34,710 as appt apparitions after death 562 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:36,600 communication altered state of 563 00:27:41,090 --> 00:27:38,970 consciousness and other stuff I don't 564 00:27:42,919 --> 00:27:41,100 think you can get a degree in it but 565 00:27:46,190 --> 00:27:42,929 it's nice to see that they're still 566 00:27:49,860 --> 00:27:46,200 doing it the University of Arizona 567 00:27:53,670 --> 00:27:49,870 still has some programs they're doing 568 00:27:56,490 --> 00:27:53,680 and after death communication and discs 569 00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:56,500 Arnott entities which would include 570 00:28:01,860 --> 00:27:59,520 spirit guides angels divine higher power 571 00:28:06,270 --> 00:28:01,870 things like that all under a program 572 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:06,280 called Sophia interesting name Oh what 573 00:28:12,510 --> 00:28:08,890 else do we got here cornell university 574 00:28:15,900 --> 00:28:12,520 was doing stuff until 2010 and then if 575 00:28:21,300 --> 00:28:15,910 we go across the pond the University of 576 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:21,310 Edinburgh has a well they must have a 577 00:28:28,790 --> 00:28:22,930 program because they have a chair of 578 00:28:31,470 --> 00:28:28,800 parapsychology that started in 85 and 579 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:31,480 they have an interdisciplinary approach 580 00:28:38,100 --> 00:28:34,570 to pair of psychology so they're looking 581 00:28:41,100 --> 00:28:38,110 at phenomena such as ESP psychokinesis 582 00:28:44,340 --> 00:28:41,110 and the nature and consequence of 583 00:28:46,140 --> 00:28:44,350 paranormal itself and let's see there's 584 00:28:48,660 --> 00:28:46,150 another thing here for London not 585 00:28:51,530 --> 00:28:48,670 interesting the University of Adelaide 586 00:28:55,730 --> 00:28:51,540 hope I said that right the animal 587 00:29:00,900 --> 00:28:55,740 animalistic not animal but as an anomaly 588 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:00,910 psychology researching unit and the 589 00:29:05,220 --> 00:29:03,370 University of Amsterdam is also doing 590 00:29:07,230 --> 00:29:05,230 anomalous cognition so there's still 591 00:29:10,620 --> 00:29:07,240 research being out there there are still 592 00:29:12,930 --> 00:29:10,630 you know credentialed credible 593 00:29:17,610 --> 00:29:12,940 psychologist working on that I think 594 00:29:19,290 --> 00:29:17,620 that's because they're it there 595 00:29:22,980 --> 00:29:19,300 shouldn't be a belief that these things 596 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:22,990 don't exist either it's just hard we're 597 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:25,410 just not sure you know our brains have 598 00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:31,210 somewhere around 80 to 100 billion 599 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:33,760 neurons who are not sure how they work 600 00:29:39,180 --> 00:29:36,730 but i'll leave that gigantic number in 601 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:39,190 your head for a moment because we need 602 00:30:08,960 --> 00:29:41,890 to take a break and i will be back in 603 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:12,480 hello Irene listeners this is MJ saying 604 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:14,530 hello and sharing boss and secret I 605 00:30:20,220 --> 00:30:17,370 discovered it's called Green lodge calm 606 00:30:22,620 --> 00:30:20,230 fresh raw organic ingredients are used 607 00:30:24,810 --> 00:30:22,630 to create all their products they are 608 00:30:27,540 --> 00:30:24,820 made in very small batches to ensure 609 00:30:30,570 --> 00:30:27,550 quality and freshness and made in the 610 00:30:32,210 --> 00:30:30,580 USA each product is created with care 611 00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:32,220 and with the finest organic ingredients 612 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:34,720 there are no 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00:33:48,660 williams and we were just talking about 669 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:52,210 academic programs in paranormal stuff 670 00:33:58,800 --> 00:33:56,050 and that as far as i could tell i 671 00:34:02,940 --> 00:33:58,810 couldn't find a graduate program or you 672 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:02,950 could get a degree and i don't know of 673 00:34:10,169 --> 00:34:06,010 any undergraduate programs but they're 674 00:34:15,060 --> 00:34:10,179 they're still research out there and you 675 00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:15,070 know we someone actually counted this is 676 00:34:18,690 --> 00:34:16,480 interesting this is like the fifty 677 00:34:19,890 --> 00:34:18,700 percent divorce rate in every textbook i 678 00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:19,900 have says we have a hundred billion 679 00:34:24,060 --> 00:34:22,240 neurons but somebody actually did a 680 00:34:25,919 --> 00:34:24,070 pretty good count that i might be closer 681 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:25,929 to 80 billion but what's 20 billion 682 00:34:32,130 --> 00:34:28,690 among friends anyway you know so you 683 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:32,140 have these 80 to 100 billion neurons and 684 00:34:38,190 --> 00:34:34,690 every bit every neuron is directly or 685 00:34:42,659 --> 00:34:38,200 indirectly talking to at least 50,000 686 00:34:47,730 --> 00:34:42,669 other neurons that that is unimaginable 687 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:47,740 computing power now our neurons work 688 00:34:51,720 --> 00:34:50,050 like little tiny batteries and they're 689 00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:51,730 actually more like a pass udders if 690 00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:54,310 you're into electronics but they're 691 00:35:00,540 --> 00:34:58,240 they're they're on and off and and they 692 00:35:01,530 --> 00:35:00,550 they turn on and off by squirting out a 693 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:01,540 little bit of a liquid a 694 00:35:07,770 --> 00:35:05,770 neurotransmitter and if you put sensors 695 00:35:10,050 --> 00:35:07,780 on your head if you've ever had an EEG 696 00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:10,060 you know you can see the activity 697 00:35:14,340 --> 00:35:12,400 different parts of the brain but there's 698 00:35:16,590 --> 00:35:14,350 an important point there you got to glue 699 00:35:20,070 --> 00:35:16,600 those things on really tight because 700 00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:20,080 we're not exactly transmitting a great 701 00:35:23,970 --> 00:35:21,250 distance 702 00:35:26,070 --> 00:35:23,980 but that doesn't mean that we couldn't 703 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:26,080 and I of all the things in the 704 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:28,450 paranormal that I i think is the most 705 00:35:34,650 --> 00:35:31,810 possible and keep in mind you you know 706 00:35:36,690 --> 00:35:34,660 you're listening to a hopeful skeptic I 707 00:35:38,730 --> 00:35:36,700 like the idea of all this stuff but I 708 00:35:41,490 --> 00:35:38,740 I'm a scientist at heart I want evidence 709 00:35:44,700 --> 00:35:41,500 and I want reliability meaning I want it 710 00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:44,710 to happen over and over again but I do 711 00:35:49,230 --> 00:35:47,200 believe that as we evolved at some point 712 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:49,240 our brain will figure out how to 713 00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:52,450 transfer information to another brain I 714 00:35:59,010 --> 00:35:55,510 mean my gosh you know we have so much 715 00:36:02,160 --> 00:35:59,020 computing power and there isn't really a 716 00:36:05,010 --> 00:36:02,170 machine yet that can do original 717 00:36:07,590 --> 00:36:05,020 thinking even though Stephen Hawking's 718 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:07,600 the famous stuff astro physicist 719 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:11,050 believes that within a not too long 720 00:36:16,410 --> 00:36:14,410 period of time that that some form of 721 00:36:19,830 --> 00:36:16,420 sentient meaning and that no that's 722 00:36:22,890 --> 00:36:19,840 alive machine life is going to take us 723 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:22,900 over send us off to other planets I 724 00:36:28,860 --> 00:36:26,410 don't know I just don't know the blood 725 00:36:31,620 --> 00:36:28,870 the brain is so complicated and and it 726 00:36:33,930 --> 00:36:31,630 can do so much a computer can do what 727 00:36:36,690 --> 00:36:33,940 it's told to do it can run lines of code 728 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:36,700 it's it's hard you know I don't know how 729 00:36:40,860 --> 00:36:38,170 to make a kebab of course I'm not a 730 00:36:42,750 --> 00:36:40,870 programmer but it for a computer to come 731 00:36:45,060 --> 00:36:42,760 up with something original it would need 732 00:36:48,330 --> 00:36:45,070 to do that without someone already 733 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:48,340 telling it but you know we come up with 734 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:51,370 original things all the time so I'm glad 735 00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:53,170 that there are programs out there that 736 00:37:00,090 --> 00:36:57,570 are still studying paranormal stuff and 737 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:00,100 and I and I hope they figure out the 738 00:37:05,790 --> 00:37:02,650 methodology because you know it is 739 00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:05,800 possible one of the problems we haven't 740 00:37:11,340 --> 00:37:09,760 studying this is that you know there's 741 00:37:13,470 --> 00:37:11,350 three there's three things in science 742 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:13,480 that are really important one is the 743 00:37:17,670 --> 00:37:15,850 experimental method if you hear that 744 00:37:20,220 --> 00:37:17,680 someone has used the experimental method 745 00:37:23,370 --> 00:37:20,230 what that means is that they can make a 746 00:37:26,460 --> 00:37:23,380 causal statement they can say a caused B 747 00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:26,470 and they can say that because they 748 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:29,200 eliminated everything else that could 749 00:37:34,289 --> 00:37:32,170 have otherwise explained it so for 750 00:37:36,269 --> 00:37:34,299 example when I was doing my 751 00:37:39,959 --> 00:37:36,279 first Masters I was curious which 752 00:37:41,579 --> 00:37:39,969 neuro-pathways a naxx worked in so you 753 00:37:43,769 --> 00:37:41,589 know the experiment took a year but when 754 00:37:45,779 --> 00:37:43,779 I was done you know I was able to say 755 00:37:48,179 --> 00:37:45,789 something we probably already knew that 756 00:37:51,059 --> 00:37:48,189 it worked through the gabaergic pathway 757 00:37:54,509 --> 00:37:51,069 but I could say that Zane Dax causes a 758 00:37:59,189 --> 00:37:54,519 reduction in anxiety by being mediated 759 00:38:02,339 --> 00:37:59,199 through this particular pathway so we 760 00:38:05,359 --> 00:38:02,349 want strong connections between a and B 761 00:38:09,809 --> 00:38:05,369 and we want to eliminate other 762 00:38:13,439 --> 00:38:09,819 explanations the second is that we want 763 00:38:16,259 --> 00:38:13,449 a we want to test or anything we wanted 764 00:38:19,140 --> 00:38:16,269 to be valid and valid means it does what 765 00:38:21,359 --> 00:38:19,150 it says it's going to do I could write 766 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:21,369 an IQ test and it could turn out that 767 00:38:25,559 --> 00:38:23,170 really all it measures how clever you 768 00:38:28,199 --> 00:38:25,569 are or how much you know that an IQ test 769 00:38:31,620 --> 00:38:28,209 should measure how much you can know 770 00:38:34,380 --> 00:38:31,630 kind of like a speedometer on a car you 771 00:38:35,969 --> 00:38:34,390 know your your car can you know if let's 772 00:38:38,279 --> 00:38:35,979 say your I mean let's say that your 773 00:38:40,410 --> 00:38:38,289 speedometer goes to 120 that's how fast 774 00:38:42,689 --> 00:38:40,420 your car can go so we'll say that's your 775 00:38:46,429 --> 00:38:42,699 IQ doesn't mean you'll ever use it all 776 00:38:48,900 --> 00:38:46,439 but that's how fast you could go so 777 00:38:51,359 --> 00:38:48,910 valid means it does what it says it's 778 00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:51,369 going to do and maybe the most important 779 00:38:58,469 --> 00:38:53,920 one is reliability so let's say I come 780 00:39:02,759 --> 00:38:58,479 up with this really cool test for IQ and 781 00:39:05,009 --> 00:39:02,769 it's valid it does test thank you now I 782 00:39:07,019 --> 00:39:05,019 have to prove reliability which means 783 00:39:08,939 --> 00:39:07,029 that if I keep giving people this test 784 00:39:10,650 --> 00:39:08,949 I'll keep getting roughly the same 785 00:39:13,289 --> 00:39:10,660 scores they'll be clustered close 786 00:39:15,029 --> 00:39:13,299 together and I think reliability is 787 00:39:18,419 --> 00:39:15,039 where we run into problems with the 788 00:39:21,509 --> 00:39:18,429 paranormal you know we someone will 789 00:39:23,489 --> 00:39:21,519 announce that you know they knew I i was 790 00:39:25,199 --> 00:39:23,499 listening to some guy on one of the 791 00:39:27,179 --> 00:39:25,209 radio shows the other night that said he 792 00:39:29,669 --> 00:39:27,189 knew two years ahead of time that the 793 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:29,679 Twin Towers were going to be hit by um 794 00:39:34,589 --> 00:39:32,650 the airplanes but my first thought was 795 00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:34,599 well did you also predict a thousand 796 00:39:39,089 --> 00:39:36,160 other things that didn't happen and 797 00:39:41,370 --> 00:39:39,099 that's where reliability comes in you 798 00:39:43,499 --> 00:39:41,380 know if you can make me a list of you 799 00:39:45,870 --> 00:39:43,509 know a hundred things that are going to 800 00:39:46,970 --> 00:39:45,880 happen and you know in the next X years 801 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:46,980 and 802 00:39:53,930 --> 00:39:50,970 happened I'd be impressed that would be 803 00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:53,940 reliability but what happens is that we 804 00:39:58,160 --> 00:39:56,160 don't have reliability you know we hear 805 00:40:05,050 --> 00:39:58,170 about the successes what we don't hear 806 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:05,060 about is that is is the failures that 807 00:40:13,370 --> 00:40:09,890 you know something something didn't work 808 00:40:15,020 --> 00:40:13,380 so reliability is very very important 809 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:15,030 and that's one of the methodologies that 810 00:40:21,890 --> 00:40:17,130 I think they struggle the most with and 811 00:40:27,710 --> 00:40:21,900 in in the labs is you know trying to 812 00:40:32,090 --> 00:40:27,720 catch on to a way of you know finding a 813 00:40:35,390 --> 00:40:32,100 psychic that is reliable that that most 814 00:40:38,300 --> 00:40:35,400 of their stuff comes true we do get very 815 00:40:41,630 --> 00:40:38,310 excited when we find out I heard a story 816 00:40:44,570 --> 00:40:41,640 about a psychic who very precisely took 817 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:44,580 police to wear a the body of a child was 818 00:40:49,940 --> 00:40:47,570 but again you know I'm a skeptic might 819 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:49,950 my other thought was well how many times 820 00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:51,930 did she do that and they didn't find a 821 00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:54,720 body so you know yet but we're going to 822 00:40:59,390 --> 00:40:56,250 get there we're going to figure it out 823 00:41:02,030 --> 00:40:59,400 our brains are too cool too smart too 824 00:41:04,190 --> 00:41:02,040 fast I think there's a song in there I 825 00:41:05,930 --> 00:41:04,200 don't know one of you right it makes 826 00:41:08,180 --> 00:41:05,940 some money and then just send me just a 827 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:08,190 little bit of it okay because I was my 828 00:41:15,410 --> 00:41:13,290 idea after a while that brings so so 829 00:41:17,540 --> 00:41:15,420 what that brings us to is that the 830 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:17,550 notion of critical thinking and I really 831 00:41:22,810 --> 00:41:20,010 beat my students up on this you know 832 00:41:27,260 --> 00:41:22,820 critical thinking means first of all 833 00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:27,270 that we think critically it's kind of 834 00:41:32,330 --> 00:41:29,609 self-defining if someone gives you a 835 00:41:35,420 --> 00:41:32,340 fact oh who is that person are they in a 836 00:41:37,849 --> 00:41:35,430 position to give you that fact you know 837 00:41:40,460 --> 00:41:37,859 if if someone gives you a medical fact 838 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:40,470 are they a doctor or they in the medical 839 00:41:47,870 --> 00:41:42,330 field I they trains to give you that 840 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:47,880 fact what's their source you know what's 841 00:41:53,690 --> 00:41:50,850 the research behind it so first of all 842 00:41:58,980 --> 00:41:53,700 we want to know who the person is 843 00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:03,670 we want to know why it's true we want 844 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:07,760 them to you want them to give us their 845 00:42:18,460 --> 00:42:12,890 that their source and oh caller what's 846 00:42:23,289 --> 00:42:18,470 your name and what's up I believe we 847 00:42:25,359 --> 00:42:23,299 have a caller okay well I think well 848 00:42:33,609 --> 00:42:25,369 we'll try one more time I'll caller 849 00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:33,619 you're on the air hello alright well 850 00:42:39,370 --> 00:42:35,359 we'll try again and maybe another or a 851 00:42:45,549 --> 00:42:39,380 moment or so maybe our our producer can 852 00:42:53,170 --> 00:42:45,559 help fix this out fix this up and we 853 00:42:58,900 --> 00:42:53,180 also we also we also have to we also 854 00:43:00,640 --> 00:42:58,910 have to we also we also have to okay 855 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:00,650 let's see I lost my train of thought 856 00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:04,130 with the caller okay well anyway okay so 857 00:43:08,019 --> 00:43:06,079 who said it why did they say oh well you 858 00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:08,029 know what is what is their source and 859 00:43:12,549 --> 00:43:10,160 then the last thing is we have to have 860 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:12,559 an open mind we have to be willing to be 861 00:43:17,740 --> 00:43:14,450 wrong you know there's nothing wrong in 862 00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:17,750 being wrong because once you learn 863 00:43:21,609 --> 00:43:19,760 something now you own that fact and now 864 00:43:25,029 --> 00:43:21,619 you're right a good critical thinker is 865 00:43:27,700 --> 00:43:25,039 very curious about why somebody holds an 866 00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:27,710 opposing point of view and I also think 867 00:43:32,740 --> 00:43:29,839 good critical thinkers are not terribly 868 00:43:34,779 --> 00:43:32,750 interested in changing someone else's 869 00:43:38,380 --> 00:43:34,789 mind there's a lot of hot button topics 870 00:43:40,690 --> 00:43:38,390 out there my gosh there's uh there's so 871 00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:40,700 it's there there's gay marriage there's 872 00:43:48,730 --> 00:43:43,609 abortion there's all kinds of stuff out 873 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:48,740 there though there is capital punishment 874 00:43:53,230 --> 00:43:51,410 and I tell my students you know before 875 00:43:54,339 --> 00:43:53,240 you argue against something I think you 876 00:43:56,410 --> 00:43:54,349 should be able to argue the other 877 00:43:58,750 --> 00:43:56,420 person's point of view as well as they 878 00:44:04,779 --> 00:43:58,760 can and then you might find that some of 879 00:44:06,700 --> 00:44:04,789 their arguments are compelling somewhat 880 00:44:09,220 --> 00:44:06,710 somewhat someone's pointing out here 881 00:44:11,319 --> 00:44:09,230 that they saw on the news where a rat 882 00:44:12,430 --> 00:44:11,329 was trained in front of a video flight 883 00:44:14,740 --> 00:44:12,440 oh yeah yeah 884 00:44:18,540 --> 00:44:14,750 about this this is what really sort of 885 00:44:24,370 --> 00:44:18,550 happened is they took about 25,000 20 or 886 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:24,380 25,000 rat neurons from a rat brain and 887 00:44:31,839 --> 00:44:27,490 they connected it to the flight controls 888 00:44:34,059 --> 00:44:31,849 I forget it was a fighter jet and they 889 00:44:38,770 --> 00:44:34,069 provided feedback to these neurons in 890 00:44:41,620 --> 00:44:38,780 other words if the if the if the plane 891 00:44:43,690 --> 00:44:41,630 was tilting left then right it if it's 892 00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:43,700 tilting right then left it and if it 893 00:44:49,900 --> 00:44:46,400 snows up you know so actually what this 894 00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:49,910 rat does is it this release 25,000 rat 895 00:44:54,819 --> 00:44:52,400 brain started growing connections and it 896 00:44:58,930 --> 00:44:54,829 was able to keep a fighter jet doing 897 00:45:02,050 --> 00:44:58,940 straight and level flight and once again 898 00:45:04,660 --> 00:45:02,060 that's only 25,000 neurons that's not 80 899 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:04,670 billion or 100 billion so yeah I did see 900 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:05,810 that and I'm glad you brought that I 901 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:07,130 think it's neutral and brought that up 902 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:08,930 thanks for bringing that out that's a 903 00:45:13,900 --> 00:45:12,050 cool new thing and this is what students 904 00:45:16,660 --> 00:45:13,910 usually do they bring up stuff I wish I 905 00:45:18,700 --> 00:45:16,670 thought of I think that though this will 906 00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:18,710 become more and more sophisticated and 907 00:45:24,010 --> 00:45:20,240 someday you'll find yourself playing 908 00:45:28,059 --> 00:45:24,020 video games against clumps of neurons 909 00:45:30,819 --> 00:45:28,069 from from rats rats are great my son 910 00:45:32,620 --> 00:45:30,829 Jameson has a rat in his room I've got a 911 00:45:36,370 --> 00:45:32,630 rat in here they're very smart they're 912 00:45:38,620 --> 00:45:36,380 extremely social they're very clean and 913 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:38,630 as far as i can tell that they are 914 00:45:49,650 --> 00:45:42,290 omnivorous all right so anyway I wanted 915 00:45:55,150 --> 00:45:49,660 to spend a little bit of time here on I 916 00:45:57,730 --> 00:45:55,160 do have a a paranormal topic I wanted to 917 00:45:59,800 --> 00:45:57,740 bring up here now some of you probably 918 00:46:01,300 --> 00:45:59,810 or maybe a lot of you already know this 919 00:46:04,300 --> 00:46:01,310 because so you know a lot of you are 920 00:46:07,359 --> 00:46:04,310 really know a lot about the paranormal 921 00:46:09,309 --> 00:46:07,369 and and and you've devoted a lot of time 922 00:46:13,329 --> 00:46:09,319 and you're very passionate about it and 923 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:13,339 I admire that passion so anyway this is 924 00:46:19,660 --> 00:46:16,690 called creepy Charlie Charlie challenge 925 00:46:23,109 --> 00:46:19,670 spreads across trick spreads across 926 00:46:25,499 --> 00:46:23,119 Twitter as children urge each other to 927 00:46:27,749 --> 00:46:25,509 summon Mexican demon 928 00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:27,759 so basically how this works as players 929 00:46:33,809 --> 00:46:30,880 draw a cross on a piece of paper and 930 00:46:35,879 --> 00:46:33,819 write words such as yes or no and the 931 00:46:38,009 --> 00:46:35,889 divisions of the cross and then they 932 00:46:40,289 --> 00:46:38,019 place two pencils on it with one balance 933 00:46:43,859 --> 00:46:40,299 on the other the begin the game they 934 00:46:45,839 --> 00:46:43,869 must ask Mexican demon charlie seems 935 00:46:48,509 --> 00:46:45,849 like an odd name for a Mexican demon if 936 00:46:50,639 --> 00:46:48,519 they can play and if the pencil points 937 00:46:53,879 --> 00:46:50,649 to yes then charlie is given to go ahead 938 00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:53,889 and then they asked they asked questions 939 00:47:01,199 --> 00:46:57,249 I suppose this is a kind of a Ouija 940 00:47:02,879 --> 00:47:01,209 board sort of thing I don't know the 941 00:47:05,389 --> 00:47:02,889 challenge is a ritual that allegedly 942 00:47:08,219 --> 00:47:05,399 makes it possible to contact a ghost 943 00:47:10,709 --> 00:47:08,229 Charlie described as a Mexican demon 944 00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:10,719 will then answer questions children in 945 00:47:14,699 --> 00:47:12,880 the teens have begun playing the game 946 00:47:17,429 --> 00:47:14,709 which requires just a pencil and piece 947 00:47:20,549 --> 00:47:17,439 of paper and posting video of it on 948 00:47:22,829 --> 00:47:20,559 social media the newest fad for children 949 00:47:26,099 --> 00:47:22,839 and teenagers has tried to summon a 950 00:47:28,169 --> 00:47:26,109 Mexican demon the so-called Charlie 951 00:47:30,959 --> 00:47:28,179 Charlie challenge is described as a 952 00:47:34,099 --> 00:47:30,969 supernatural ritual that allegedly makes 953 00:47:36,029 --> 00:47:34,109 it possible to contact a ghost 954 00:47:37,259 --> 00:47:36,039 apparently we know when they interview 955 00:47:39,029 --> 00:47:37,269 some of these kids they're fairly 956 00:47:41,789 --> 00:47:39,039 freaked out by it they thought it would 957 00:47:44,939 --> 00:47:41,799 just be a laugh and they get results 958 00:47:45,989 --> 00:47:44,949 that some of them find frightening I 959 00:47:51,539 --> 00:47:45,999 don't know and what do you think about 960 00:47:53,339 --> 00:47:51,549 that is this just another sort of portal 961 00:47:56,849 --> 00:47:53,349 thing I'm you know here a lot of people 962 00:47:58,859 --> 00:47:56,859 describe the Ouija board as a portal I'd 963 00:48:03,499 --> 00:47:58,869 be curious what you think and I'm sure 964 00:48:06,299 --> 00:48:03,509 some of you have read about this as well 965 00:48:14,189 --> 00:48:06,309 certainly a lot cheaper than buying a 966 00:48:16,049 --> 00:48:14,199 Ouija board could a listener could an 967 00:48:17,999 --> 00:48:16,059 impending sense of doom before and 968 00:48:20,669 --> 00:48:18,009 during a panic attack be considered a 969 00:48:22,259 --> 00:48:20,679 hallucination boy that's a good one see 970 00:48:26,429 --> 00:48:22,269 I'd have to connect that to one of the 971 00:48:29,999 --> 00:48:26,439 five senses so it's not tasting or 972 00:48:31,709 --> 00:48:30,009 smelling or it's probably somatic is 973 00:48:35,969 --> 00:48:31,719 there any panic attacks people literally 974 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:35,979 feel like they're going to die and it in 975 00:48:41,730 --> 00:48:39,010 a way that impending sense of doom 976 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:41,740 could be a kind of precognition it's an 977 00:48:45,720 --> 00:48:43,450 excellent question I don't have an 978 00:48:49,710 --> 00:48:45,730 excellent answer but I'm glad you asked 979 00:48:51,930 --> 00:48:49,720 it's a good question and I am curious to 980 00:48:53,850 --> 00:48:51,940 hear what people know about the the 981 00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:53,860 Charlie Charlie game I think that's kind 982 00:49:03,150 --> 00:48:56,890 of neat I do want to remind people that 983 00:49:08,310 --> 00:49:03,160 you can call in on 88 89 192 355 that's 984 00:49:11,700 --> 00:49:08,320 8 8 8 9 19 2 3 5 5 or you can jump into 985 00:49:16,050 --> 00:49:11,710 the chat room or you can email live 986 00:49:18,180 --> 00:49:16,060 psych @ mail.com and if I get your 987 00:49:21,870 --> 00:49:18,190 emails after the show I will do my best 988 00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:21,880 to answer them for you and we've got 989 00:49:27,420 --> 00:49:24,400 about 10 minutes left so I want to try 990 00:49:31,290 --> 00:49:27,430 to get a little bit to the the topic of 991 00:49:34,260 --> 00:49:31,300 the day and that the topic is lost okay 992 00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:34,270 so and again i apologize for ending on a 993 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:36,610 death death grief and sorrow no but i'll 994 00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:38,170 try to think of something fun at the end 995 00:49:42,900 --> 00:49:40,480 what loss is important then you know i 996 00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:42,910 said when i trained counselors I we 997 00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:45,040 spent a lot of time on this because we 998 00:49:49,230 --> 00:49:47,530 experienced so much loss now the first 999 00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:49,240 kind of loss that comes to mind is a 1000 00:49:55,500 --> 00:49:52,240 death but that might in some ways that 1001 00:49:58,980 --> 00:49:55,510 might be easier is not a fair word news 1002 00:50:01,050 --> 00:49:58,990 but that that might be a kind of loss we 1003 00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:01,060 can deal with better because it's it's 1004 00:50:07,110 --> 00:50:04,480 so permanent someone dies you don't see 1005 00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:07,120 them anymore the possibility of being 1006 00:50:13,470 --> 00:50:10,450 with them is is absolutely over and I 1007 00:50:15,780 --> 00:50:13,480 think that allows our psyche to to move 1008 00:50:17,460 --> 00:50:15,790 forward with with making peace with it 1009 00:50:19,590 --> 00:50:17,470 you know you don't get over someone 1010 00:50:22,020 --> 00:50:19,600 dying but both my parents died five 1011 00:50:25,710 --> 00:50:22,030 years ago i'm not over with over it but 1012 00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:25,720 I've made peace with it but there are 1013 00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:28,000 other losses which are very very 1014 00:50:32,910 --> 00:50:30,160 difficult for people and two of them in 1015 00:50:35,220 --> 00:50:32,920 particular come to mind one is 1016 00:50:38,850 --> 00:50:35,230 particularly bad for males and that's 1017 00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:38,860 loss of a job a lot of the ego of a male 1018 00:50:45,620 --> 00:50:42,250 is wrapped up in his job because we're 1019 00:50:49,290 --> 00:50:45,630 still pretty old-fashioned we you know I 1020 00:50:51,660 --> 00:50:49,300 bet a majority of males still feel that 1021 00:50:52,650 --> 00:50:51,670 you know their job is to bring home the 1022 00:50:54,859 --> 00:50:52,660 bacon and if you're 1023 00:50:58,020 --> 00:50:54,869 suddenly not bringing home the bacon 1024 00:51:00,240 --> 00:50:58,030 there there can be quite I drop in 1025 00:51:02,099 --> 00:51:00,250 self-esteem you know self-esteem is a 1026 00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:02,109 sort of a if you could just give 1027 00:51:07,410 --> 00:51:05,650 yourself one grade you know for how good 1028 00:51:10,529 --> 00:51:07,420 you are doing it life that would be your 1029 00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:10,539 self-esteem I have known people that 1030 00:51:16,319 --> 00:51:13,119 have been unemployed for lengthy periods 1031 00:51:18,270 --> 00:51:16,329 of time and not told anybody and I had a 1032 00:51:21,779 --> 00:51:18,280 colleague once he left her I was working 1033 00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:21,789 and he went somewhere else to work and I 1034 00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:24,450 don't know if he got laid off or fired 1035 00:51:29,819 --> 00:51:27,130 fortunately for him he and his wife had 1036 00:51:32,130 --> 00:51:29,829 completely separate finances now we're 1037 00:51:34,109 --> 00:51:32,140 rolling our 30s back then he got up 1038 00:51:36,809 --> 00:51:34,119 every morning put on a suit and drove 1039 00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:36,819 off to nowhere and as soon as he thought 1040 00:51:41,970 --> 00:51:40,089 she was gone he drove back home since he 1041 00:51:44,010 --> 00:51:41,980 usually got home before her she wasn't 1042 00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:44,020 surprised now I don't know I lost track 1043 00:51:48,329 --> 00:51:45,609 I don't know how long that worked but 1044 00:51:51,809 --> 00:51:48,339 but the shame he felt over losing his 1045 00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:51,819 job was was so strong that he was 1046 00:51:57,269 --> 00:51:53,530 willing to go through this the charade 1047 00:51:59,430 --> 00:51:57,279 of pretending to go to work when you 1048 00:52:02,880 --> 00:51:59,440 know when we tell someone we've lost our 1049 00:52:06,420 --> 00:52:02,890 job we often feel shame and you know 1050 00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:06,430 that the some of that energy would be 1051 00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:09,010 better spent you know looking for 1052 00:52:14,339 --> 00:52:11,770 another job but we have to grieve there 1053 00:52:16,620 --> 00:52:14,349 is no shortcut there's no magic bullet 1054 00:52:19,289 --> 00:52:16,630 you have to grieve a loss and you have 1055 00:52:21,779 --> 00:52:19,299 to grieve the loss of a job if you lose 1056 00:52:24,029 --> 00:52:21,789 your job on Friday I don't think that 1057 00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:24,039 you should be you know hoping you're 1058 00:52:28,769 --> 00:52:26,410 employed on Monday I mean you you will 1059 00:52:30,180 --> 00:52:28,779 need a little bit of time but then the 1060 00:52:32,279 --> 00:52:30,190 best thing to do to distract yourself 1061 00:52:35,370 --> 00:52:32,289 from the loss of the old job is go out 1062 00:52:37,549 --> 00:52:35,380 and look for a new one then the other 1063 00:52:43,589 --> 00:52:37,559 kind of loss is when we lose someone 1064 00:52:45,839 --> 00:52:43,599 that we love and then here I'm talking 1065 00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:45,849 about the end of a relationship or a 1066 00:52:50,099 --> 00:52:48,130 marriage and I'm talking about the 1067 00:52:53,069 --> 00:52:50,109 person that wished that the relationship 1068 00:52:54,569 --> 00:52:53,079 not had not ended and if we connect this 1069 00:52:58,740 --> 00:52:54,579 back that I was talking about earlier 1070 00:53:00,450 --> 00:52:58,750 people when someone dies you know you're 1071 00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:00,460 not going to see that person there's no 1072 00:53:06,210 --> 00:53:05,200 hope but when someone leaves you they're 1073 00:53:08,910 --> 00:53:06,220 still alive 1074 00:53:11,450 --> 00:53:08,920 so out there people have fantasies about 1075 00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:11,460 the person being with someone else or 1076 00:53:16,589 --> 00:53:13,330 fantasies that they're going to come 1077 00:53:18,750 --> 00:53:16,599 back to them some of that's normal and 1078 00:53:20,220 --> 00:53:18,760 if it goes on too long then you know we 1079 00:53:23,180 --> 00:53:20,230 feel like maybe they could use a little 1080 00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:23,190 help perhaps some you know some 1081 00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:26,170 counseling right I always tell people 1082 00:53:31,950 --> 00:53:29,290 that to the extent it's possible you 1083 00:53:33,780 --> 00:53:31,960 know when someone leaves you or even 1084 00:53:36,660 --> 00:53:33,790 when you leave them to help them is to 1085 00:53:38,820 --> 00:53:36,670 have you know no contact with them at 1086 00:53:40,230 --> 00:53:38,830 all for for probably at least three 1087 00:53:41,820 --> 00:53:40,240 months other counselors would have other 1088 00:53:46,230 --> 00:53:41,830 numbers i think a year of even better 1089 00:53:48,030 --> 00:53:46,240 but you know you you you have to treat 1090 00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:48,040 it a little bit like a death it's not 1091 00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:50,530 fair to keep trying to bring that person 1092 00:53:54,690 --> 00:53:52,690 back because they deserve to find 1093 00:53:57,780 --> 00:53:54,700 someone that they love and you deserve 1094 00:54:00,450 --> 00:53:57,790 to find someone that loves you so losing 1095 00:54:02,820 --> 00:54:00,460 a job losing a relationship you know 1096 00:54:05,220 --> 00:54:02,830 those are important losses but there's 1097 00:54:06,839 --> 00:54:05,230 other losses the loss of a dream we may 1098 00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:06,849 decide that we've got to the point that 1099 00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:09,040 there's something we are not going to be 1100 00:54:17,370 --> 00:54:15,490 able to do you know when we've you know 1101 00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:17,380 we're not you know we've we're not going 1102 00:54:21,660 --> 00:54:19,210 to get into medical school because we 1103 00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:21,670 reach that magic age of 35 or 40 or 1104 00:54:25,650 --> 00:54:24,130 whatever it is or hard as we've tried 1105 00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:25,660 we're just not going to be a rock star 1106 00:54:30,450 --> 00:54:28,210 you know we we do well in our own 1107 00:54:32,970 --> 00:54:30,460 backyard or regional but where you know 1108 00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:32,980 it was a big dream so the loss of a 1109 00:54:38,930 --> 00:54:34,930 dream is another loss that has to be 1110 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:38,940 grieved and and and we do have to grieve 1111 00:54:45,089 --> 00:54:42,490 you know for people going through the 1112 00:54:47,970 --> 00:54:45,099 loss of someone who died we consider 1113 00:54:49,829 --> 00:54:47,980 normal grief to be about a year we 1114 00:54:52,380 --> 00:54:49,839 expect that after a year a person is 1115 00:54:54,839 --> 00:54:52,390 functionally functioning pretty normally 1116 00:54:57,240 --> 00:54:54,849 but if a year goes by and they're really 1117 00:55:01,040 --> 00:54:57,250 not doing much better than they were you 1118 00:55:03,390 --> 00:55:01,050 know a week or two or three after the 1119 00:55:06,060 --> 00:55:03,400 death of the person then we call that 1120 00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:06,070 complicated grief and and they and they 1121 00:55:14,250 --> 00:55:11,170 would benefit from from some help we 1122 00:55:16,500 --> 00:55:14,260 have a society that is very afraid of 1123 00:55:19,030 --> 00:55:16,510 death and goes to great lengths to avoid 1124 00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:19,040 it I mean look at coffins 1125 00:55:23,530 --> 00:55:21,680 like beds you know I hope I don't think 1126 00:55:27,460 --> 00:55:23,540 my bed is as comfortable some confidence 1127 00:55:29,740 --> 00:55:27,470 I've seen and we don't say die we say 1128 00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:29,750 passed away moved on went to heaven 1129 00:55:34,030 --> 00:55:32,090 they're in a better place I remember 1130 00:55:36,370 --> 00:55:34,040 someone it was a good friend so I could 1131 00:55:37,900 --> 00:55:36,380 kid around they said well your dad's in 1132 00:55:39,550 --> 00:55:37,910 a better place and they say well what 1133 00:55:42,670 --> 00:55:39,560 was wrong with right here I thought this 1134 00:55:45,250 --> 00:55:42,680 was a pretty good place it's okay to say 1135 00:55:48,700 --> 00:55:45,260 die and dead and death they understand 1136 00:55:50,470 --> 00:55:48,710 that their loved one has died when you 1137 00:55:51,940 --> 00:55:50,480 go up to someone and say I'm sorry your 1138 00:55:53,260 --> 00:55:51,950 father died they're not going to say 1139 00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:53,270 what do you mean died I thought he just 1140 00:55:58,840 --> 00:55:56,450 moved on and you know if I got my GPS 1141 00:56:01,360 --> 00:55:58,850 out I'd track him down you mean he's 1142 00:56:03,730 --> 00:56:01,370 dead you're never surprised anybody and 1143 00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:03,740 it also helps them with the finality of 1144 00:56:08,110 --> 00:56:05,930 it so you're not being mean when you say 1145 00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:08,120 died or dead death or whatever things 1146 00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:10,640 like that it's okay to say I'm sorry to 1147 00:56:17,770 --> 00:56:14,090 hear that your mom died because that is 1148 00:56:20,290 --> 00:56:17,780 exactly you know what happened ok now 1149 00:56:21,580 --> 00:56:20,300 I'm not going to end on that no because 1150 00:56:23,710 --> 00:56:21,590 that's death angry are you are you 1151 00:56:26,890 --> 00:56:23,720 dabbing at your eyes I'm sorry if I did 1152 00:56:30,970 --> 00:56:26,900 that to you let me end with some cool 1153 00:56:34,450 --> 00:56:30,980 psych factoids ok you ready for some 1154 00:56:36,370 --> 00:56:34,460 factoids a placebo effect can work even 1155 00:56:38,380 --> 00:56:36,380 when the individual is aware that the 1156 00:56:40,420 --> 00:56:38,390 substance they are taking is a placebo I 1157 00:56:41,980 --> 00:56:40,430 saw this done on a video it absolutely 1158 00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:41,990 amazed me they were using a pain 1159 00:56:46,060 --> 00:56:44,330 medication and the person was told we're 1160 00:56:48,820 --> 00:56:46,070 going to give you a fake pain medication 1161 00:56:50,740 --> 00:56:48,830 and their pain went down humans can live 1162 00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:50,750 longer without food and they can without 1163 00:56:55,390 --> 00:56:54,050 sleep well that's true most people you 1164 00:56:58,210 --> 00:56:55,400 hear about these guys that play these 1165 00:57:00,250 --> 00:56:58,220 video games for three and four days and 1166 00:57:01,750 --> 00:57:00,260 they stay awake and then they die I mean 1167 00:57:04,750 --> 00:57:01,760 we're not sure why we don't even know 1168 00:57:09,310 --> 00:57:04,760 why we sleep stay awake long enough and 1169 00:57:13,240 --> 00:57:09,320 you'll die let's see by age 60 you will 1170 00:57:15,070 --> 00:57:13,250 have lost half your taste buds if saliva 1171 00:57:16,930 --> 00:57:15,080 cannot dissolve something you cannot 1172 00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:16,940 taste it if it can't is all that it 1173 00:57:22,750 --> 00:57:19,520 can't create a sensation so then we're 1174 00:57:24,790 --> 00:57:22,760 not going to have a a perception and by 1175 00:57:26,980 --> 00:57:24,800 the way our mouths are not all wired the 1176 00:57:28,450 --> 00:57:26,990 same makes me crazy one that someone 1177 00:57:30,310 --> 00:57:28,460 says here try these check and leave our 1178 00:57:32,410 --> 00:57:30,320 livers they're great and I say no no I 1179 00:57:32,740 --> 00:57:32,420 don't like them no but I do you got to 1180 00:57:34,420 --> 00:57:32,750 try 1181 00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:34,430 and while your tongue is wired to like 1182 00:57:38,980 --> 00:57:37,040 chicken livers my tongue is wired to gag 1183 00:57:42,970 --> 00:57:38,990 at chicken livers I mean let people like 1184 00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:42,980 what they're like it's okay since the 1185 00:57:48,100 --> 00:57:44,810 existence of the internet fewer people 1186 00:57:50,530 --> 00:57:48,110 claim to be religious chewing gum helps 1187 00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:50,540 your memory to receive a higher test 1188 00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:52,160 score you know what that's more 1189 00:57:55,570 --> 00:57:53,930 complicated than that that's that has 1190 00:57:57,790 --> 00:57:55,580 more to do with test dependent with 1191 00:57:59,950 --> 00:57:57,800 state dependent learning and we'll talk 1192 00:58:02,170 --> 00:57:59,960 about that in another show as a matter 1193 00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:02,180 of fact our next show will talk about 1194 00:58:08,020 --> 00:58:05,570 how to get better scores and grades on 1195 00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:08,030 almost anything using professor Eric's 1196 00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:16,690 it's the excessive stress can alter 1197 00:58:20,590 --> 00:58:18,530 brain cell structure and function yes 1198 00:58:22,510 --> 00:58:20,600 they can and it makes them produce 1199 00:58:25,570 --> 00:58:22,520 hormones that make you makes you feel 1200 00:58:27,730 --> 00:58:25,580 bad but it also motivates you to fix it 1201 00:58:29,530 --> 00:58:27,740 if you think a smile even when you're in 1202 00:58:31,660 --> 00:58:29,540 a bad mood that smile will help you feel 1203 00:58:33,370 --> 00:58:31,670 better and therefore make you happy you 1204 00:58:34,930 --> 00:58:33,380 know what at works I've done it I mean 1205 00:58:36,810 --> 00:58:34,940 it feels weird when you're doing it but 1206 00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:36,820 do it next time you're really unhappy 1207 00:58:43,270 --> 00:58:40,250 having a bad day snake a snake right 1208 00:58:46,900 --> 00:58:43,280 fake a smile fake a whole bunch of them 1209 00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:46,910 you will feel better it's part of our of 1210 00:58:59,040 --> 00:58:53,090 our wiring when we when we smile 1211 00:59:01,720 --> 00:58:59,050 something happens neurologically and 1212 00:59:04,290 --> 00:59:01,730 save the rest of factoids for next time 1213 00:59:07,150 --> 00:59:04,300 there is a fixed a Facebook page called 1214 00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:07,160 psychologies outer limits it's 1215 00:59:13,420 --> 00:59:10,010 psychology with an S on the end outer is 1216 00:59:17,170 --> 00:59:13,430 0 UT ER and then limits with an S it's 1217 00:59:19,630 --> 00:59:17,180 all one word if you search for it you'll 1218 00:59:23,590 --> 00:59:19,640 find it if not just send an email to 1219 00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:23,600 live psych @ mail.com and i'll send you 1220 00:59:31,420 --> 00:59:27,530 a link that you can click on and you can 1221 00:59:35,380 --> 00:59:31,430 follow me there and i'll try to put some 1222 00:59:38,290 --> 00:59:35,390 cool stuff up weekly and i think that's 1223 00:59:39,550 --> 00:59:38,300 a that's it i have really enjoyed my 1224 00:59:41,980 --> 00:59:39,560 first meeting with you and i look 1225 00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:41,990 forward to seeing you again next week i 1226 00:59:46,510 --> 00:59:44,570 hope you have a fantastic week and smile